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DECEMBER 1999 · VOLUME 20 · NUMBER 21

I N T E R V I E W

Native Struggles for Land and Life
An Interview with Winona LaDuke

Winona LaDuke lives on the White Earth reservation in Minnesota and is an enrolled member of the Mississippi Band of Anishinaabeg. She is the project director of the Honor the Earth Fund and campaign director for the White Earth Land Recovery Project. In the 1996 presidential campaign, she served as Ralph Nader's running mate in the Green Party. In 1997, with the Indigo Girls, she was named a Ms. Woman of the Year. She is the author of the recently released All Our Relations: Native Struggles for Land and Life (South End Press).

Multinational Monitor: How was the White Earth Reservation formed?

Winona LaDuke: The White Earth Reservation is the southwest portion of the Anishinaabeg nation. We have reservations in the northern part of five states in the United States and in the southern part of four Canadian provinces.

This reservation was created by a treaty in 1867. Each treaty that preceded the 1867 treaty had some economic reasoning behind it. The mining companies that started in the Great Lakes, including Kennecott Copper and 3M, all saw our vast natural resources and used treaties as a mechanism to get them.

White Earth does not have mineral resources, but what it had was vast pine forests. The 1867 treaty gained Frederick Weyerhaeuser, whose company started in Little Falls, Minnesota, access to the northern woods. Knute Nelson and some other state senators facilitated a process called allotment, which is a process where commonly held land is converted into individually held private parcels. Those parcels were allocated to individual Indians.

That concept of private land ownership was foreign to us. We have traditionally had collective land ownership, with individual and family use rights. You have your house and personal belongings, but the land is held collectively. Over the course of 20 years following the treaty adoption, our land was allotted. Then a good portion of it -- 250,000 of the 800,000 acres -- was taken for taxes by the State of Minnesota. This was actually illegal and was subsequently held to be illegal in court.

The miracle of America?s prosperity was to the detriment of indigenous people.

The lands were taken primarily by lumber companies. So the foundations of some great fortunes were based on somebody else's wealth.

That is the story of wealth and the relationship of development and underdevelopment. Some get rich and some get poor. The miracle of America's prosperity was to the detriment of indigenous people.

I live here on the reservation. I was actually raised off the reservation, because by the late 1950s three-quarters of all tribal members lived or were born off-reservation.

We are largely a refugee population. We have one of the largest populations like that in Indian country, but our community is also one that has been politicized by the whole process and does continue to try to recover that which is ours.

We have fought for a long time to get back our land and have not had that much success in the legal system. To be honest with you, I think that's because we're kind of in the court of the thief. The U.S. Government was legally responsible for our state as Indian people. I am legally a ward of the federal government. The federal government is a trustee of my estate. They pretty much lost our whole estate on White Earth Reservation.

The federal courts find themselves in a quandary: should they give back that which they took? The largest landholders on the reservation today are the federal, state and county governments.

We haven't had success in getting them to return much land. They have returned 10,000 of the 250,000 acres which they have.

People do occasionally get success in court. For instance, the 1999 Mille Lacs Supreme Court decision based on the 1837 treaty recognized our right to hunt and fish and harvest in the northern third of the state.

But I think that the record is something like 29 to 4 -- 29 decisions against Indian people in the last 15 years to 4 in favor.

If you go reservation by reservation across this country, you?ll find that the federal government has vast landholdings which they have annexed. Those should be returned to our communities.

MM: What efforts have you and others made to recover the land in the last couple of decades?

LaDuke: I founded and work for an organization called the White Earth Land Recovery Project. We were founded around addressing the issue of structural poverty, which is what ensues when you do not have control over the land or any of your assets.

In the late 1970s, the federal government came in as part of a national investigation into what had happened to the Indian estates and interests.

They came to White Earth and found that this is one of the worst cases of land alienation in the country. Simply put, the White Earth records were messed up. They had probated estates for about 60 years. They were trying to find descendants of people who died in 1923. I went to a hearing with my grandpa and they couldn't figure out who he was related to. They were calling in people to figure out who was related to who, because they didn't keep the records. They found that a good portion of the land titles on the reservation are bad.

Arland Stangeland who was then the congressional representative for this district, and one of the most right-wing Republicans in the country said, "You Indians will get your land back when hell freezes over." He and the Reagan Administration basically canceled the funding for any further research into what had happened on White Earth.

Instead of returning the land or trying to figure out what had happened, they proposed to pay 1910 market value for the land that they were clearing title to in 1986. We opposed it. We fought it unsuccessfully from 1983 to 1986.

But in 1986 the White Earth Land Settlement Act was passed, which paid us $17 million -- the 1910 value without damages for loss of income, etc. -- for 10,000 acres of our land. It didn't deal with issues like damages from timber extraction, or the cost to a family of being denied access to their land for 60 years while someone builds a multi-million dollar resort on it.

The government basically said, "This is the best deal you're going to get." At that time, we had a tribal government that was very corrupt, called the Wadina Administration. The chairman of the Wadina Administration took the settlement over the protests of the community. We had occupations of tribal council headquarters, and over 500 people were arrested.

The government told us that if we didn't like the settlement, we should take them to court. We filed suit in federal circuit court in Minnesota in 1986 and 1987. We eventually filed three suits, one in Washington, D.C. with the help of the Center for Constitutional Rights. We lost them all.

The lawsuits sought return of land, but the courts ruled that the statute of limitations had expired on the return of land. They held that we should have filed within seven years of the original time of taking. People from this community -- including my great, great grandmother, who could not read or write English, who was legally a ward of the federal government, who had not procured an attorney at that time -- were basically out of luck.

We formed the White Earth Land Recovery Project in 1989, after exhausting all of our legal recourse, to look at other mechanisms for recovery of the land. We're talking about the return of public landholdings within Indian reservations that were unjustly taken. As I said, 250,000 acres of the reservation are held by government agencies. We're not talking about dispossession of a single non-Indian landholder.

This is a national question. It's a question also relevant to the Black Hills -- 80 to 90 percent of the Black Hills, which by treaty belongs to the Lakota, is held by the federal government. The Chippewa National Forest, inside the Leech Lake Reservation, is held by the federal government. If you go reservation by reservation across this country, you'll find that the federal government has vast landholdings which they have annexed.

Those should be returned to our communities.

We are the poorest people in the country whereas we should be the richest.

It's not a question of material wealth, but about having conditions of human dignity within the reservation. We've got one dentist for every 6,000 people on this reservation. Half our population is living at or below the poverty level. The same people are living in overcrowded or substandard housing. We have arrest rates that are seven times that of non-Indians. We have every social problem associated with chronic poverty. We would like to live and we intend to live with some dignity. But you have to address that structural poverty. You can throw whatever social program you want at this, but until we are allowed to determine our own destiny, these are the problems we are going to face.

MM: In what ways have environmental groups caused problems for Native Americans, both at White Earth and across the country?

LaDuke: We all recognize that we must defend the environment. However, what happens is a power question. When you talk about our case, some of the major environmental groups have opposed return of our land. The Sierra Club opposed the return of land to our community. The Nature Conservancy donated land on our
reservation to the State of Minnesota, rather than back to the tribe.

We have every social problem associated with chronic poverty. We would like to live and we intend to live with some dignity. But you have to address that structural poverty.

That's a kind of structural racism, a trading of assets among settler groups, rather than dealing with the underlying issue of justice. It's something that the environmental movement has to be challenged on.

Some of the groups that have worked on northern forest cutting issues have improved. No one is really working in partnership on our reservation, but we're working with groups like the Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy on forest andagricultural issues. They have a broader view of the relationship between international, national and multicultural issues.

MM: What do you mean when you talk about the "toxic invasion of Native America?"

LaDuke: Indian communities have certain jurisdictional authority and are remotely located. Although we have sovereignty which we recognize originates with the Creator, the federal government does recognize some aspects of our sovereignty. So people trying to get rid of toxic waste or build incinerators have come into Indian communities with the pitch that "this is a good money-making opportunity," and "it won't cause any environmental problems." There are over a hundred different proposals to dump toxic waste in our communities,
including my own reservation.

There is also residual contamination from historical practices, especially major mining operations. The perfect example is the thousand abandoned uranium mines down on the Navajo Reservation. It will take a heck of an effort to get those cleaned up. In the Spokane Reservation in Washington state, the Newmont Mining Corporation,
the largest mining company in the world, had a uranium mine which is now a radioactive mess. They want to move "low-level" radioactive waste into the mine site now, and use the mine as a dump.

There are a lot of Indian communities that have military bases on or adjacent to them, because historically the military forts were often situated right next to the Indian reservations to keep an eye on the Indians. The military is the largest polluter in the country, and so you have a lot of military waste contaminating reservations -- as, for example, on the Skull Valley Goshute Reservation, where 5,000 sheep died in some kind of experimental military nerve gas test 10 years ago. Many of our communities are dealing with that kind of waste, and an absence of political will to clean them up.

MM: What is the link between the loss of biodiversity and the health of Native American communities?

LaDuke: In our case, we're a forced culture. The Creator gave the Anishinaabeg people an immensely biodiverse forest. And he said, "Within this forest you will find all of your medicines. All the things you need to make your houses. All the foods you will need to sustain your families. The materials for all the baskets and other objects of amazing beauty that you can make. You can fashion all of those things from this land, upon which I'm putting you. Your job, though, is to take care of that which I gave you. You have a good life. You have to take care of those responsibilities yourself, because I gave you the ability to think." That is in essence our teaching.

Within that, the White Earth reservation is known as the medicine chest of the Ojibwes. Every single medicine of the Ojibwes is pretty much here on the reservation -- echinacea, different medicines for cancer, medicines for cataracts, all kinds of medicines.

Seventy-five percent of the plant-derived pharmaceuticals in the world come from indigenous people ? including ephinedrine, aspirin and quinine. To have those things you have to have biodiversity.

This loss means that we are not able to take care of ourselves in the way that we are supposed to be able to. This loss means that we have ceremonies that include things that are absent. We have sturgeon songs on this reservation because sturgeon are a big part of our history, but we didn't have sturgeons for 40 years because of dams.
We have them now because we put them back. You have some whose whole ways of life are based on buffalo, but we have no buffalo. This loss causes a kind of grieving in our community. For us, the rise of American agriculture and the demise of the Great Plains is not only about an economic and social transformation, it's also about a spiritual transformation. One that we would not choose.

This is not romanticizing our cultural practice. It's saying that at the core of our cultural practice are these teachings which are a centerpiece of our identity. They make us Anishinaabeg, or Lakota or Dine.

What we need is an amendment to the U.S. constitution that protects the commons from the pilfering by private interests. There have to be limits on corporate exploitation.

MM: How are Native American communities and nations responding to the continuing dispossession of their land and resources?

LaDuke: I wrote the book because I've done 20 years of work in these communities. I've seen people with an amazing amount of resilience.

You have people like Gail Small on the North Cheyenne Reservation, who for her entire life has been fighting one coal strip mine after another. She lives in the Powder River basin coal field, which is the single largest coal field in North America. The fact that there are not coal strip mines on Northern Cheyenne is because of Gail Small and her organization.

There are people like the Inuit and the Cree in Northern Quebec, Ontario and Newfoundland, who are out-of-sight and out-of-mind. Those people are sitting on river systems that are fine just the way they are. But because of the nature of American consumption, every time there's a river system, some utility wants to put a dam on it. So you have the James Bay I project that was put through and James Bay II, which was defeated by the political will of this community which basically said, "We have a right to live,
and you don't have a right to take our rivers," and then organized opposition in the United States. Now you've got James Bay III being proposed.

Part of the reason I wrote the book is to call attention to these people, who have this integrity and who are asking that their way of life not be destroyed for someone someplace else. It's a simple request. They're not asking for other people's land. They're not asking for other people to do things. They're just asking people to limit their own behavior, which is what you and I would tell our children to do.

In many ways, the book addresses what Danny Billie of the Seminoles says the best. Asked by one reporter if he thinks he can survive, he said, "Actually that question is about you and whether you can survive. You and I both know it's not just about whether the Seminoles can survive, it's about whether or not we can all live sustainably."
 That's kind of the question I try to ask in the book.

MM: You talk in your book about some ideas for restraining corporate power and abuses. What are some of the things you think should be done to bring corporations under control?

LaDuke: From a policy end, one thing we need is an amendment to the U.S. constitution that protects the commons from the pilfering by private interests, an amendment that
says you cannot have it all -- that some things are really everybody's.

The ethical consideration is to be responsible somehow for those things you take into your life.

You can't have multi-use of a sacred site, for example. It's totally impossible. McDonald's would not build at the Wailing Wall, but that's the kind of thing they do to us.
Putting strip mines in the middle of a sacred site. There have to be limits on corporate behavior and corporate exploitation.

I think a lot of the issues have to do with values. Our teachings are that you take what you need and you leave the rest. I tell my kids all the time that, by and large, someone has to get poor for someone to get rich. There are a few people who didn't appropriate someone else's wealth. That broader valuation of ecosystem destruction and the recognition that these things belong to somebody is a really important part of considering how we curb our own behavior. The Lockean assumption that if we put our labor to it then it becomes our own is totally fallacious. We have to figure out how to leave things alone, and build an economic system that's not built on a linear model, but instead on a cyclical model, because that's the natural world ? it's cyclical and not linear. That is going to take a lot of transformation.

In our case, the government is also part of the problem. But in its essence, the central questions are how we curb corporate behavior and how we look at their origins. A good portion of them got their wealth illegally.

MM: A key theme in the book is the importance of striving toward local self-reliance.

LaDuke: In my community, it's a cultural value that you are responsible for that which you take. I'm not going to tell the people in Washington, D.C. that they should pray before they go buy their lettuce. But I like to know where my food comes from. In the era of globalization, it is increasingly frightening that some people do not have a relationship to the chain of custody of these products. You're outlawing chemicals here that come in on the bananas from Central America, for instance.

Our local economy, like many rural economies, is very poor. We don't have a multiplier in our local economy. A dollar comes into the reservation and then goes off. But we still have an immense amount of biodiversity. We have wild rice. We have maple syrup. We have a lot of deer, other animals, and fish. Those kinds of things. What we work for is an increased consumption of our own local food so that we're able to feed ourselves in the best nutritional way possible. In addition, we offer these products to a broader community in a process of fair trade.

The more you can have some relationship to energy or food production, the better. It is the externalizing of production that makes us operate by remote control. Otherwise, we don't care if this or that project goes up, because we don't see the faces of the people affected. We don't care where the coal used by our power plant comes from because we don't see the consequences.
 The ethical consideration is to be responsible somehow for those things you take into your life. 


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This official response was e-mailed and mailed via the U.S. Post Office to Mark Weitzman
 (certified) and the noted individuals in the CC.Thank you to all for your support regarding this matter.
Note and FYI: Mark Weitzman's response e-mail regarding this matter that was forwarded
to us last month is posted below our letter. This response has also been posted on our website on the front page:
www.ae911truth.org

December 8, 2007

Mr. Mark Weitzman
Simon Wiesenthal Center
1399 South Roxbury Drive
Los Angeles, California 90035

310.553.9036
310.553.4521 (fax)

50 East 42nd Street, Suite 1600
New York, NY 10017

212.370.0320
212.883.0895 (fax)

Via: Certified US Mail & Email:

Re: SWC testimony 11/6/07 before the Homeland Security
Subcommittee on Intelligence, Information Sharing, and Terrorism Risk Assessment

Dear Mr. Weitzman,

Thank you for responding in your email form letter to a couple of the many important concerns raised
recently by other members of the 9/11 Truth & Justice Movement to your presentation at the House
Committee on Homeland Security - "Using The Web As A Weapon: The Internet As A Tool For Violent
Radicalization And Homegrown Terrorism" on 11/6/07 before Representative Jane Harman. Your
clarifications, however, offer no correction or retraction for the irresponsible and false statement 
"Incubator of 9/11 Conspiracies and Disinformation" the heading that you placed over our science-based 
website "
AE911Truth.org" Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, which bears my name, Richard Gage,
AIA, an architect of 20 years.

Also, you made no apology, explanation, or correction for your words which you stated precisely
during the time in which you displayed the
911sharethetruth.com and AE911Truth.org websites:

 "And then finally we end with a site that literally talks about the bombing of - 'soon, soon, soon
 the attack on Manhattan'."

This part of your presentation can be reviewed at the 45:50 mark in the video located at:
http://homeland.edgeboss.net/wmedia/homeland/chs/internetterror.wvx

The C-SPAN Archive version of the video is in two parts. The sentence above occurs at the
28:20 mark of the second portion of C-SPAN's version.i

I am aware of no page on our site ever having contained this sentence or any sentence like it.
Our staff has researched the matter, and the phrase appears nowhere on our site, nor was it
found by an internet search. Curiously enough, we find the phrase only whenyou are being
quoted.

I am aware of no page on our site ever having contained this sentence or any sentence like it.
Our staff has researched the matter, and the phrase appears nowhere on our site, nor was it
 found by an internet search. Curiously enough, we find the phrase only when you are being
 quoted.

The clear implication is that our website promotes "conspiracies", "disinformation", and since you sandwiched
 it between violent Jihad militant training type websites "terrorism" too. A brief review of our website shows that
 it simply contains science_based facts and questions regarding the destruction of the WTC Twin Towers and
 Building 7 as well as a petition listing over 800 signatories, including more than 230 well_respected architects
 and engineers who are demanding a real investigation of these building "collapses" based upon the clear
evidence presented in our website.

For your information, since you have obviously not taken the time to review the website before defaming it,
this evidence of the controlled demolition of the three WTC high_rises includes careful documentation of
 these facts:

The destruction occurred with rapid onset, at virtually free_fall speed, and with radial symmetry.

One hundred eighteen first responders described hearing, seeing and feeling explosions and seeing flashes
 of light at the onset of destruction.
The concrete floors were almost completely pulverized into dust and gravel.

The structural steel framework was largely dismembered into shippable lengths. Much of it was hurled outside
the Twin Towers' perimeters, some as far as 500 feet away.

Tons of molten metal were seen by FDNY and others, and was described as "flowing like lava" for weeks after
9/11, yet its existence was denied by NIST.

FEMA documented structural steel samples showing evidence of rapid oxidation, sulfidation, intergranular
melting, and partial evaporation features which occur only with temperatures at least 1,000° F. hotter than
 office or jet fuel fires.

Proven chemical evidence of thermate, an incendiary material which produces molten iron as its by_product,
 found on the columns and beams, previously molten metal, and iron_rich micro_spheres in the dust by
Dr. Steven Jones (and corroborated by the USGS but never explained).

These features are characteristic of controlled demolitions, and not office or jet fuel fires. Of course, the
47_story WTC Building 7 was not even hit by an airplane and yet its unnatural destruction exhibits all the
 same features except it imploded into its own footprint in 6.5 seconds!

Maybe now you understand why our membership of architects, engineers, and other building professionals,
 who are all calling for a science_based forensic investigation which has yet to be performed is growing
exponentially! We ask SWC for nothing less than the tolerance it espouses so well.

And yet you have made the egregiously false statements noted above in public, on television, and to
Congress about us. These statements have the clear potential to inflict serious damage to my reputation,
 my standing in the community, and my career, as well as each of our 230 architects and engineers and
other distinguished members.

I and the members of Http://www.911Truth.org  therefore demand a retraction of these false, defamatory,
 outrageous and insulting statements that you made in the scope of your duties at the SWC. This retraction
must be thorough and exculpatory, exceeding the scope of your original publication(s), lest it be ineffective
and meaningless. We at
Http://www.911Truth.org demand a formal apology from SWC for having
displayed our website at all in your Homeland Security presentation.

Your timely apology must be sent to (and aired on) C_Span, to Rep. Jane Harman, and all congressional
 representatives and others in attendance. It must be posted on the SWC. And it must explain your motives
 in making the publication and the retraction.

Our constitutional republic was founded upon the fundamental right to ask questions, demand answers, and
 to seek truth and justice. This is all that we in the 9/11 truth movement are seeking. Of all people and of all
organizations, you and the Simon Wiesenthal Center, who highlight the virtue of tolerance, should be
honoring our right to ask these questions, not branding us as terrorists. Your behavior reeks of the
McCarthyism of the 1950's, and is totally unacceptable to me, our members, and all Americans who
cherish the first Amendment.

Regarding the anti_Semitism noted in your email form letter: We, too, abhor bigotry in all its forms, and
have distanced ourselves from those few who engage in it. But anti_Semitism has nothing to do with our
website or the science of the destruction of the three WTC high_rise buildings on 9/11 to which it is dedicated.
The scientific method is non_partisan, apolitical, and a transparent process. Scientists defend their positions
in public based on accepted, defensible processes. While reports put forth by the government and others have
 labored in vain to explain away the massive scientific evidence for controlled demolition left behind in the rubble,
 the witness testimony, and the videos, we at AE911Truth.org have simply collected, assembled, and structured
 it in a way which enables everyone to understand it easily.

Simon Wiesenthal was a paragon for seeking the truth, however hard and difficult it might be. The SWC should
be honoring our right to publish technical information and encourage fact based forensic inquiry into the three
largest structural failures in U.S. history not branding us inciters of terrorism.

Tolerance arises from understanding, and understanding from direct experience. In this light we would like to
 meet with you and your board and staff to present to you the specific concerns documented on AE911Truth.org
 regarding the basic science of these "collapses". We would like to learn from you what you perceive as so
threatening so as to deem it necessary to "warn" Congress about us. By understanding each other's concerns,
we will strengthen our mutual resolve to work toward the creation of a more truthful and tolerant society.

We reserve all rights, and communicate to you without any prejudice to any rights. We are ready to move
 forward. Please let us know the best time to meet. We can assemble in your New York or Los Angeles office.

Sincerely,

[signature]

Richard Gage, AIA, Architect

For the 800 members of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

(signed copy to Commission)

cc:

Jane Harman (CA_36)

Dave Reichert (WA_8)

Bennie Thompson (MS_2)

Mike Honda, (CA_15)

Dianne Feinstein (CA)

Barbara Boxer (CA)

Testimony and prepared statements for the hearing:

http://homeland.house.gov/hearings/index.asp?ID=102

From: Mark Weitzman

To: [e_mail protected]

Sent: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 6:54 am

Subject: RE: 9/11 truth has nothing to do with conspiracy theories

Dear Ms. F.....,

Over the past few days I have received a number of emails regarding my testimony to the House Committee
on Homeland Security. Much of those emails appear to have been based on misapprehensions of my testimony.
My testimony was about "the Internet as a tool for violent radicalization", and not about 9/11. My reference to 9/11
consisted of 1 sentence out of 6 pages of testimony, and in that sentence (with 2 out of 38 accompanying Power
Point slides) I referenced "how 9/11 is viewed in some eyes, including those who applauded it as well as some
 conspiracy sites." I then continue by illustrating the types of conspiracy theories often found online, such as those
 based upon of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the infamous antisemitic text, or that generally blame the US
government in a pernicious manner (i.e. for intentionally spreading the AIDS virus), or that have the "entire Western
 World engaged in a conspiracy against Islam" Nowhere in there is there any mention of 9/11! In this regard our
 only concern with 9/11 is when the inquiries slide into incubators for hate (i.e. "This fake Hamas soldier wearing
a "Star of David" is as much a Zionist as the 9_11 terrorists Chertoff covers for. Chertoff is the son of a terrorist
himself. Don't let him off the hook!").

Finally, in my recommendations, I never urged any type of censorship. In fact, I specifically state that (#5) that
any steps taken in regard to the Internet must be done legally, and over the course of a decade in dealing with
 this issue I have consistently stressed that the First Amendment must be maintained in the virtual as well as the
 real world. I have even argued that in conferences in Europe when attempts were being made to impose
international controls on the Internet, saying, as I did last year in Berlin that we should "avoid getting bogged
 down in a useless debate on the First Amendment" because we (in the US) are not going to erase it, nor
should we.
Please feel free to share this with any interested parties.

Sincerely,

Mark Weitzman

Richard Gage, AIA, Architect - "How The Towers Fell" -
 Complete 2 Hour Presentation

Vote Result
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September 11, 2007
http://www.cathousechat.com/cathouse_chat/history/index.html

YOU won't show the video?! Well, then, *I* will... (UPDATED)

It's too upsetting? It's too graphic?

You know what, you media cowards?
These barbarians are out to kill us, to take away our God-given rights,
 to beat us into submission, to weary us until we give up -
and YOU'RE letting them.  YOU'RE aiding them.

Don't EVER forget what happened six years ago:









On September 11, 2001, at Barksdale Air Force Base, President Bush concluded his brief statement with

The resolve of our great nation is being tested. But make no mistake: We will show the world that we
 will pass this test. God bless.

Yes. We were and are being tested. President Bush said we would pass this test, and I suppose in some
 ways we have - life has gone on, our economy has recovered, elections have been held as usual, our
citizens do not live in terror.

But our resolve - most particularly that of the lunatic left - has faltered and become unfocused.
The Main Stream Media would prefer to support and empathize with terrorists, publish sensitive material
about national security, and excoriate and second-guess our Commander in Chief. Organizations like
Code Pink and MoveOn -dot- org accuse our military leaders of lying for President Bush, yet they claim
 that they support our troops. Democratic leaders of Congress claim we have lost the way, that the surge
 has failed, and that the war - the one THEY VOTED FOR - is illegal.

Yeah, guys, I question your patriotism. I question your integrity. I question your love for this country.

I despise your weak willed and disruptive waffling (and I am including Republicans in this), and your quest
for power and influence at the expense of securing our borders and truly supporting our military personnel
and their mission. You disgust me, and your actions shame our proud and brave heritage. You are an
embarrassment to the heroes who have sacrificed their lives to defend this country and promote freedom.

Who was it that said, "First, we hang all the lawyers"? He ought to have said "politicians"!

UPDATE: Misha, as always, expresses my sentiments far better and more eloquently than I could here:

Later that evening, as the full realization of what had just happened had finally sunk in, the Empress
and I were holding each other tight and it struck me (she was very very pregnant with the Royal
Heirs back then): “Our children will never know the world we grew up in. To them, the pre-9/11 world
 simply won’t exist.”

And I resolved, right then and there, that I would never rest, I would never be satisfied until every last
 motherfucking son of a syphilitic Moongod-worshipping goat had been annihilated so that our boys
 could live in a world where sick fanatics DIDN’T use civilian airliners as cruise missiles.

And I will stay true to that until I die. This isn’t over until every single Asshole for Allah and everybody
who has ever muttered as much as a sympathetic word about them is dead and rotting, if I have to kill
 the swine myself.

There will be no forgetting, there will be no forgiving until they’re dead. All of them. Wipe them out, erase
 every single memory of them and make it a capital offense to as much as mention their names without
 immediately spitting.

Then wipe out their offspring, their friends, their pets, their cities, their villages, their holy sites,
ANYTHING that might remind people that they ever were.

THEN I will be at peace, not before.

Amen, my brother. Amen, indeed.

And just as a wee small sample of the "character" of our enemies...

(Submitted to the Open Trackback post at Stop the ACLU)

NEVER forget!

It may have been six years ago, but I will never forget.

I will never forget who was responsible. I will never forget the ideology which
 promoted this atrocity. I will never forget the inhumanity of these murders.

I will not forget those who are apologists for Islamic terrorism.

If I did, the ghosts of the 3,000 killed that day and those of our brave soldiers
who gave their all to the fight would rise up and condemn me.

NEVER FORGET!!!

TwinTowers911

(Thank you, Ward, for reminding me of this video)

August 19, 2007

NEVER forget!
http://www.cathousechat.com/cathouse_chat/history/index.html

 
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Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:21:30 -0500
Subject: Fwd: A GERMAN'S POINT OF VIEW ON ISLAM
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Subject: A GERMAN'S POINT OF VIEW ON ISLAM

A GERMAN'S POINT OF VIEW ON ISLAM

A man whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II owned
a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German
people were true Nazis, the answer he gave should guide our attitude
toward fanaticism.

"Very few people were true Nazis," he said, "but many enjoyed the
return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was
one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So,
the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we
knew it, they owned us, we had lost control, and the end of the world
had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration
camp and the Allies destroyed my factories."

These days, "so-called experts and political talking heads" tell us
repeatedly that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast
majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this
unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is
meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant somehow to
diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the
name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history.
It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one
of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically
slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are
gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is
the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder or honor kill. It is the
fanatics that take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who
zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and
homosexuals. The hard quantifiable fact is that the "peaceful
majority," the "silent majority," is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in
peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of
about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists
managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a
warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way
across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the
systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by
sword, shovel and bayonet.

And, who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it
not be said that the majority of Rwandans were "peace loving"?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all
our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated
of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their
silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they do not
speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one
day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world
will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs,
Afghanis, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and
many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up
until it was too late. As for us who watch it all unfold; we must
pay attention to the only group that counts; the fanatics who
threaten our way of life.

Lastly, at the risk of offending, anyone who doubts that the issue is
serious and just deletes this email without sending it on is
contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand.

So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on. Let us
hope that thousands, world wide, read this - think about it - and
then send it on.


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Dear activists, colleagues and friends,>From Robert Greenwald,We have been deep in research, 
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was demonstrated in the 1993 World Trade Center attack?When new radios were finally ordered,
why did the city block other companies besides
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jump from $1.4 million to $14 million?Why were these new radios never tested?These questions
should and must be investigated. New York City councilman Eric Gioia has the
power to begin an investigation. If we can garner enough attention and signers, we have a
major opportunity to help launch an investigation. Since you live in the NYC area, it is
especially important you sign and get others in New York to sign as well. We want all signers,
of course, but it will be doubly helpful, maybe even triply, if we can get a large number
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