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Open air burning temperatures, 260-315 °C (500-599 °F) ...
You +1'd this publicly. Undo - Cited by 55 - Related articlesThus, the fact that there were 90000 L of jet fuel on a few floors of the WTC does not mean
that this was an unusually hot fire. The temperature of the fire at the ...
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Top answer: As is typical of folks who do not have a scientific background, the question is purely one
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Can one "soften" steel with jet fuel,carpets,burning computers ofice furnature &
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The actual maximum burning temperature of a Jet-A fuel (standard jet fuel type in U.S.) is 980 deg.
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Reply to people who say jet fuel can't melt steel
Posted by: Future Engineer ()
Date: August 07, 2006 08:59AM
This is a response to the discussion carried out by many suggesting that the planes at the WTC couldn't have brought the buildings down. I'm sorry for being so forward, but in my opinion this is a ridiculous discussion. I am a junior at an engineering-exclusive school studying materials engineering. I admit that I am not an "expert" on the subject. However, I do know enough to explain this situation. The actual maximum burning temperature of a Jet-A fuel (standard jet fuel type in U.S.) is 980 deg. Celsius. If you refer to the Iron-Iron Carbide phase diagram, the temperature at which steel changes from cementite and pearlite (strong phases of steel) to austenite (significantly less strong) is 702.5 deg. Celsius. Also, if a steel structure is exposed to a temperature just below or at the eutectic (702.5 deg.) for a period of time, martinsite is formed (very weak). All it would take is a few I-beams to lose their structural integrity before the "chain reaction" would start. I don't have a strong opinion on the conspiracy theory, but when people say that the heat from burning jet fuel cannot melt steel it bothers me. It doesn't have to "melt" for it to become ineffective. Also, "very strong type of steel" is the most relative statement ever. The steel used in sky scrapers is a standard carbon steel, not heavily alloyed. In any case, the iron-iron carbide phase diagram describes all carbon steels very accurately. Also, when the buildings actually collapsed, all that potential energy was released into heat and sound, which is true for all destructive reactions. So it is quite possible that after the buildings fell, the temperature of the rubble reached levels higher than any fire could produce. Sorry, I’m done ranting.
Re: Reply to people who say jet fuel can't melt steel
Posted by: Future Engineer ()
Date: August 07, 2006 09:06AM
Excuse me, spherodite...not martinsite. like I said, i'm still a student.
Re: Reply to people who say jet fuel can't melt steel
Posted by: Jason ()
Date: October 31, 2006 04:35PM
First of all, there were molten metal at ground zero so the steel was not weakened,
it melted. Second, an intense fire cannot be produced under rubble where there is
no oxygen so your argument that potential energy made that intense fire is ridiculous.
Therefore, thermate has been used with explosives to bring that building down.
Re: Reply to people who say jet fuel can't melt steel
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: January 25, 2007 04:05PM
I have checked a couple sources regarding the temp. for burning JET A fuel (standard in the US). The open air burning temp is less than 350 C.
I think you would have to consider the WTC open air burning. Max temp is achieved only with an optimum mixture of air and fuel producing no smoke.
Smoke is a sign of oxygen deprivation with results in lower temperatures. The WTC steel was tested by UL at 2000 C and retained it's specification.
It is not likely that an open air burn for less than 50 minutes could have caused enough deformation to result in collapse.
Not a pleasant conclusion I'm afraid, but hey science is science.
Regs,
Bob
Re: Reply to people who say jet fuel can't melt steel
Posted by: mech engineer ()
Date: April 06, 2007 11:59PM
future engineer is correct. Pick up a material science book and you can see that steel doesn't have to melt to become weak.
[But it did melt, mr. pepper spray...]
Posted by: Jason ()
Date: October 31, 2006 04:35PM
First of all, there were molten metal at ground zero so the steel was not weakened, it melted. Second, an intense fire cannot be produced under
rubble where there is no oxygen so your argument that potential energy made that intense fire is ridiculous. Therefore, thermate has been used
with explosives to bring that building down.
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The demolition of the Towers was designed to be the grand finale of the plan. A description of PBS Nova's Why The Towers Fell states:
"For most people the image of the collapsing towers of the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, was not only an unforgettable
scene of horror, it was a moment of unimaginable consequence."
http://www.shareoffers.com/index.php/20 ... de-center/
"Unforgettable" is right -- it was designed to be unforgettable. It was designed to be so horribly traumatic that it would plunge every American man,
woman, and child into an "us-and-them"/"we're-at-war" mentality. Rationality goes out the window, overridden by rage and emotion.
The destruction of World Trade Center 7, on the other hand, was something that the perpetrators did not want to attract attention. Let's remember
the interesting offices/documents that resided in 7 World Trade:
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade. ... ants7.html
Standard Chartered Bank occupied a significant part of Building 7. It's Hong Kong division cooperated with the CIA in recruitment-related activities.
The US Government states that hijacker Fayez Ahmed used a bank account Standard Chartered Bank. It also had accounts connected to Moussaoui.
http://www.justice.gov/ag/moussaouiindictment.htm
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I’ve described all of this extensively in my book, and it’s apparent that things of
importance were taken out of harm’s way before the attacks.
For example, the CIA didn’t seem too concerned about their losses.
After the existence of their clandestine office in Building Seven was
discovered, an agency spokesman told the newspapers that a special team
had been dispatched to scour the rubble in search of secret documents
and intelligence reports, though there were millions, if not billions of
pages floating in the streets. Nevertheless, the spokesman was confident.
“There shouldn’t be too much paper around,” he said.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article160636.html
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Government offices also were located throughout the complex; Secret Service agents traveling with President Bush say about 200 agents were stationed in the World Trade Center office.http://www.pulitzer.org/archives/6541
Let us also recall the thousands of SEC files that were destroyed in the attack. FOIA inquiries into which files were stored in Building 7
were given dead-end responses. The files were allegedly linked to Enron, which has it's own
[url=http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd162.htm] connections to 9/11.
As we know, the IRS Regional Council and the Defense Department also were on the 25th floor -- the IRS offices were on both floors 24 and 25.
The 22nd floor was occupied by the Federal Home Loan Bank, which is sponsored by the US Government.
http://www.fhlbi.com/
The mortgage for the company was controlled by Blackstone, which has ties to the military/CIA and was founded by
two secret-society/world-elite operatives, one of whom was Bush's roommate and Skull & Bones brother at Yale.
http://www.beyondpoliticsand911.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=252
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