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Category: Art, Creativity, Flower Mandalas, Healing, Mandalas, Spirituality, Transformation

The 'Meaning' of Fifteen Flower Mandalas

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 I'd like to take this space to thank those of you who have downloaded my free Fifteen Flower Mandalas screensaver, and particularly those who have
 written back. The responses so far have been interesting. Until now, I didn't know that people from all parts of the world -- from the tip of Alaska to Cape
 Town and beyond -- were checking into this blog. That, alone, is gratifying. And I'm grateful to those of you who shared your positive responses to my work,
 and to those, as well, who have shared their similar struggles with life, death, near-death, and everything in between. It has been, and continues to be, a
 heart-warming bounty. Thank you.

Several of you have asked me to send you, along with the screensaver, the "meaning" of each mandala. There's no simple answer to this question. I can
list the flowers from which they were derived, and some feelings and thoughts that occur to me when I look at them, but I believe each viewer, if he or
she meditates on a particular image, will come away from it with a different sense, one specific to that person in that moment.

Here are the flowers. They match up, from top-left to bottom-right, with the mandalas in the above image.

Row 1: Beach Rose, Blue Pansy, Dandelion Head, Daylily (rear view), Dying Amaryllis.
Row 2: Galliardia 'Arizona Sun', Iris Germanica, Marigold, Pink Dahlia, Pink Peony.
Row 3: Queen Anne's Lace, Violet Morning Glory, White Lily, White Rose, Yellow Lily.

Some feelings I get (now, today): From the Beach Rose, love. From the Blue Pansy, stillness. From the Dandelion Head, rebirth. From the Dying Amaryllis,
vastness and motion. From the Galliardia, surprise. From the Iris Germanica, a meeting of masculine and feminine energy. From the Marigold, momentum
and stability (the 'flywheel'). From the Pink Dahlia, openness. From the Pink Peony, protection. From the Queen Anne's Lace, playfulness. From the Violet
Morning Glory, a holy spirit. From the White Lily, complexity. From the White Rose, transformation. From the Yellow Lily, strength.

What feelings do you get from these images? Let me know, either as a comment to this post or to in the Art, Healing, and Transformation group.

More anon, and thanks in advance for your responses.See you in cyberspace,
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Robins AFB, Georgia– The Air Force Advanced Power Technology Office (APTO), headquartered at Robins Air Force Base, Georgia recently announced the first military airlift of a fuel cell powered military vehicle. The effort to convert the vehicle was a true multi-service collaboration including the U.S. Army Engineering Research and Development Center/Construction Engineering Research Laboratory’s Fuel Cell Test and Evaluation Center (FCTec), the U.S. Marine Corps, MAG-49 Det Bravo C-130 Airlift Unit and the U.S. Air Force APTO.

The MB-4 Aircraft Towing Tractor, a four wheel drive, four wheel steer, 14,000 pound drawbar pull vehicle was converted from a diesel powered mechanical drive vehicle to a fuel cell powered electric drive vehicle. The integration effort, accomplished by Concurrent Technologies Corporation, Johnstown, Pennsylvania, incorporates a Hydrogenics, Incorporated 65kW Proton Exchange Membrane fuel cell system, Dynetek Industries’ carbon fiber wrap hydrogen storage system and Enova’s Panther 120 Drive System. The combination of these subsystems enables the vehicles towing capacity to remain unchanged, while the addition of a power inverter enhanced the vehicles capability by permitting power generated by the fuel cell to be delivered to aircraft and/or ancillary support equipment.

The vehicle was transported to Hickam AFB, Hawaii by Marine C-130 airlift on the 20th of October, 2006. The vehicle will be put through a demonstration/validation program while in daily use at Hickam AFB.

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  Military’s Active Denial System is First True Ray Gun

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Military’s Active Denial System is
 First True Ray Gun

This breakthrough looks like an airport radar except the one rolled out to the media recently
 is mounted on a 
hybrid Humvee. The operator sitting in the Humvee lines up the target and
 fires a 95 GHz blast from a 100 kW ultra-high-frequency radio transmitter.

The sensation at the target up to 500m away is akin to taking a heat blast from an opened
“oven door,” according to Marine Corps. Col. Kirk Hymes. “This does not incapacitate them.
 This pushes them back and out of the way,” he says. As such, the unit promises to be another
tool for crowd control or for protection of Navy ships.

“Navy ships have curious onlookers who try to push the envelope. Let’s steer closer to those big
 Navy ships. But we have a tremendous responsibility to protect the men and women on that ship.
 When there is mixture of terrorists and tourists and they are not readily moving back, this system
 can be used to gently push those individuals back.

It does not have a lasting effect,” he says, adding that the weapon’s development
really accelerated after the bombing of the
U.S.S. Cole in 2000

Indeed, the 1 mm radio wave penetrates the top 1/64th of an inch of skin and just down to the nerve endings. When hit, the target moves away from the beam and the sensation ceases. Each blast is four sec and in testing with 600 volunteers and 10,000 exposures, the Air Force, which has developed the technology over the past 15 years, claims there is only one tenth of a 1 percent chance of minor injury such as a blister or rash.

The device comes at a time when the military is serving in a multitude of non-traditional roles such as peace-keeping and humanitarian efforts.

“We have instances where helicopters had a hard time landing to deliver foodstuffs.

Hunger is a pretty motivating factor and if I was senior member of my tribe or clan and I’ve watched my family die from hunger, I’ll do what it takes to get those foodstuffs. How do you non-lethally get them to stand in an orderly fashion so the food can be delivered safely and proportionally and protect those who aren’t in a rush?

If you can target individuals to stay back, leave the area or form and orderly line, it only takes a couple of individuals to be targeted and it says there’s something going on here,” says  Col. Hymes.

At the heart of the transmitter is a water-cooled gyrotron developed by CPI Inc. based in Palo Alto, CA. The gyrotron creates the radio frequency beam. The aiming device is comprised of “relatively simple” optics, which look down the center of beam.

In addition to the Humvee-mounted unit, the Air Force has also built one containerized version, which is armored and enclosed to survive rugged environments. Each system     costs about $10 million, says Hymes. 

      Raytheon is the systems integrator.

        The testing of the ADS itself has been proven and now focuses on how it can
  be maintained and operated in challenging environments such as Iraq’s dust and heat.

 
     

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Stan Meyer's Waterdriven Car

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SUPER-EFFICIENT ELECTROLYSIS

Water can be broken into Hydrogen and Oxygen using electricity. Standard chemistry books claim that this process requires more energy than can be recovered
when the gases are recombined. This is true under normal circumstances, but it is not true under ALL circumstances. When ordinary tap water is hit with a series
 of high voltage impulses, using a system developed by Stan Meyer (USA) and again more recently by Xogen Power (Canada), it splits into Hydrogen and Oxygen
 gas with significantly less electrical input.

Even ordinary electrolysis can be made more efficient by using different electrolytes (additives that make the water conduct electricity better). For instance,
Potassium Hydroxide works better than Sodium Hydroxide. It is also known that certain geometric structures and surface textures on the electrodes work
better than others. Stan Meyer used concentric tubes with very close tolerances instead of the standard practice of parallel flat plates.

The implication is that unlimited amounts of Hydrogen fuel can be made to drive engines (like in your car) for the cost of water. Even more amazing is the fact
 that a special metal alloy was patented by Freedman (USA) in 1957 that spontaneously breaks water into Hydrogen and Oxygen, with no outside electrical
input and without causing any chemical changes in the metal itself. This means that this special metal alloy can make Hydrogen from water for free, forever.

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From: http://www.free-energy.cc/electrolysis.html

"...Water can be broken into Hydrogen and Oxygen using electricity. Standard chemistry books claim that this process requires more energy than can be recovered when the gases are recombined. This is true only under the worst case scenario. When water is hit with its own molecular resonant frequency, using a system developed by Stan Meyers (USA) and again recently by Xogen Power, Inc., it collapses into Hydrogen and Oxygen gas with very little electrical input. Also, using different electrolytes (additives that make the water conduct electricity better) changes the efficiency of the process dramatically. It is also known that certain geometric structures and surface textures work better than others do. The implication is that unlimited amounts of Hydrogen fuel can be made to drive engines (like in your car) for the cost of water. Even more amazing is the fact that a special metal alloy was patented by Freedman (USA) in 1957 that spontaneously breaks water into Hydrogen and Oxygen with no outside electrical input and without causing any chemical changes in the metal itself. This means that this special metal alloy can make Hydrogen from water for free, forever...."

LINKS
The following two links lead to videos of Stan Meyer's
Water Fuel Cell technology:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/67009/water_power_car/

http://www.lonelantern.org/stanmeyersvideo.html

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My view of Islam from Ali in Kuwait

  • Ros Atkins
  • 17 Jul 07, 02:56 PM

Hi Ros and everyone at WHYS.

I am a British convert to Islam (12 years ago). I listen to the World Service and your
programme all the time in my car and I can't help but notice how many items concern
Islam and Muslims, often in a negative light. This has been disturbing me for some time
because I feel that Islam is not being properly presented or understood. I want to hear
 the good things about Islam presented and debated...

I find all the talk about moderate versus extreme or modern versus fundamental etc quite
irrelevant and totally missing the point. Islam is a faith – a belief system based on funda
mental principles, doctrines and texts.

At the core is belief in the oneness of God and that Muhammad is His last Messenger.
Islam is also a way of life. It is a religious way of life that puts worship of God at the
centre.

It makes no sense to talk of "secular Islam". The main objective of the secular movement
is to put religion into a box and remove its influence from the core of society. Unfortunately
many Muslims are happy to go along with this view, largely because it gives them a good
excuse not to follow their religion.

Here are a few examples of the benefits of a Muslim society where Muslims actually
practise Islam:

1. It is free of alcohol and drugs and all the related disease, crime, costs etc.

2. The (extended) family is the fundamental building block of society.

3. Women are not exploited as sexual objects.

4. Children respect their parents and authority figures such as teachers.

5. Old people are respected, cared for by their families and not put into
 institutions when they can no longer care for themselves.

6. People respect each other and each other's property.

7. There is little crime.

8. There is justice.

9. People are honest.

10. There are no homeless people.

11. People do not get into debt by buying things they can't afford on credit.

12. Children have two parents.

13. Orphans are cared for.

14. People put the worldly life in proper perspective, are not beset by psychological
problems such as depression and suicide is a rarity.

Nuff said

Best Regards,
Arnold Ali Cender


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  • 1.
  • At 03:53 PM on 17 Jul 2007,
  • Ali mian wrote:

Ya right...

  • 2.
  • At 03:54 PM on 17 Jul 2007,
  • viola anderson wrote:

Arnold Ali Cender, I believe you have just described the GOALS of Islam rather than
 the reality; goals, I might add,that are shared by just about every religion on earth.

  • 3.
  • At 03:57 PM on 17 Jul 2007,
  • Lubna. Baghdad wrote:

Hi whys,hi whys listeners,hi Ali, i read your letter and it got me thinking alot! Im a twenty
 one years old medical student who lives in Baghdad and im a practicing Muslim. There's a
 text in the Holy Koran which says-The one who brings life back to a single human being, as
if he brought life back to all human beings- This text honours doctors,nurses, firemen,rescue
teams and all the people who work to save other people's lives! That's why i pray everyday
 so that i'd deserve that honour! Listen Ali,the Prophet Mohammad says-The believers with
the most perfect faith are the ones with the most perfect ethics,and the best ones of you are
 the ones who are the best to their women- Ali,to me,being a Muslim means as the Prophet
Mohammad said-the muslim is the one who people are safe from both his hand and his tongue-
 How many Muslims are there who apply this concept in their daily life?! I leave the answer to
 you Ali!! Salam! Lubna!

  • 4.
  • At 03:59 PM on 17 Jul 2007,
  • Ali mian wrote:

Ya right...#3..what a joke

  • 5.
  • At 04:01 PM on 17 Jul 2007,
  • Steve wrote:

When people take religion too seriously, they oppress those that do not, and those of other religions. To like in a religious state
would be a step backwards for progress. Sure, some of the things you listed are nice concepts, but no place on earth will be free
of crime, no place will have total "justice" (what is that anyways, say if someone wants to leave the fate, but under Islam, apostasy is
a capital offense, is that Justice for that person?). If you're happy with no more scientific progress, then fine, but while you'll be living
in that religious state, people in my country are planning a trip to Mars, and the technologies created for that will benefit people here
on earth. Not everyone wants to live in a religious state, and you're seemingly wanting to impose your way on everyone else, whereas
athiests don't impose their beliefs. you're free to practice your religion as you wish in the confines of your home or your mosque, but don't
impose your views on everyone else. If you have problems with things, such as alcohol, drugs, or objectifying women, I would recommend
you don't drink, don't do drugs, and don't objectify women. That's easier than imposing your views on everyone else. Remember, not
everyone shares your beliefs, but I'll respect your way of life if you respect mine and leave me free to live my life as I want.

  • 6.
  • At 04:24 PM on 17 Jul 2007,
  • Virginia Davis wrote:

Greetings All and Ali in Baghdad:
Thank you for letting us know more about the daily realities of what it means to be a practicing Muslim. Living here in the USA,
where there is homelessness, where 25 percent or more of young boys and girls are not safe from monster adults, where females
 are not respected in media to the point we have no valid identities, etc etc you are trying to live a life in a society which has value
and meaning. In the USA we also live where our leaders are caught up in the hysteria of a never-ending war on terrorism which is
 too often against Islam and ignores our own responsibilities for such as the horrific death toll of the men, women and children of
Iraq. The Catholics say: If you want peace,work for justice.
People of faith, and there are many faiths, do want peace and do work for justice. And you make clear followers of Islam, Muslims,
work for a better world.

As for the other Ali, I for one, don't need your sarcasm.

Virginia Davis of Oregon

  • 7.
  • At 04:47 PM on 17 Jul 2007,
  • arnold ali wrote:

Thanks for your comments Steve. I too was an aethiest once until I found it to be an empty ideology. Unfortunately I have to disagree
 with your assertion that aetheists do not impose their beliefs on others. On the contrary I cannot walk the streets or watch TV in my
 country without being confronted by the sight of scantily-dressed women. I am asked to accept that same-sex relationships have the
 same status as marriage between a man and a woman. My wife and daughters may be discriminated against because they cover
themselves. My kids are taught that they are descended from apes, despite there being no evidence. I could go on.....

  • 8.
  • At 04:51 PM on 17 Jul 2007,
  • Mark wrote:

Islam is not just a religion, it is a political movement which is trying to
impose its will on all of humanity. This is why it has fooled western
liberal democracies so easily. In their eagerness to be fair, impartial,
and allow freedom of all to believe in and practice their own religion, for
the longest time they have refused to see that unlike other religions, Islam
will not only try to convince others of the correctness of their views but
failing that to force them on all of us through violence and tyranny. It isn't
the Western media which portrays Islam this way, it is Islam which does
this itself and the stories concerning Islam speak for themselves.
But you don't have to come to this conclusion on your own, those most
adamant about imposing Islam on us all will tell you this openly and explicitly
 including people living in Britain who would impose Sharia law on everyone.

Unless Islam can put itself in the box of a private affair between
 individuals and what they see as their god in their own lives, then
as a social movement it cannot and will not be tolerated.

Its doctrine is in direct conflict not merely with democracy but with the Universal Declaration
of Human Rights adopted by the United Nations. These are the inalienable rights of man which
 neither Islam nor anyone else's doctrine can deny to people.

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html


Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his
 religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his
 religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions
without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless
of frontiers.

The militant imposition of Islam on all of humanity
has been and will continue to be met with whatever
resistance is necessary including military force
and this could escalate to far more violent and
widespread war than we have seen so far. It does
not appear some in Islam would be convinced
otherwise.

  • 9.
  • At 04:59 PM on 17 Jul 2007,
  • George wrote:

You miss the point yourself.

"I find all the talk about moderate versus extreme or modern versus fundamental etc quite irrelevant and totally missing the point."

When you say this, nothing else you say has the slightest meaning at all.

Begging the question does not cut it.

You cannot discount mass murder and terrorism then say another word.

  • 10.
  • At 05:02 PM on 17 Jul 2007,
  • Steve wrote:

Ali, you simply have a choice to not watch TV or watch TV stations that don't show scantily clad women. I personally cannot
stand reality TV shows, so I stopped watching TV except for the history channel.

If you have problem with same sex marriage, I would recommend you marry someone of the opposite sex, but let those who
 want to to be free to do so. You don't see how you're trying to impose your values? Pro-same sex marriage aren't trying to
make you marry someone of the same sex, they just want equal treatment. your view gets them discriminated against. Like
it or not, there are homosexuals on this planet, and there always will be.

Hate to break it to you, but if you go to any museum about natural history, you'll see skeletons of mammals that lived a long
time ago. To deny that evolution exists is to be in denial of life. We're descended from the first single celled creatures. Some
 things are a little too complex to just pass off as "I don't really know, it's too complex, thus god just created us".

As I said, you're free to practice your religion in the confines of your home and in your mosque, but the influence of religion
should end there. What's to stop other people in different religions from imposing their beliefs? Say if Hindus tried to ban beef?
 Say if Jews tried to ban shops from being open on Saturday? Religion has no place in public life. I may not believe in God, but
I bet you I have far better morals than most religious people out there. Just this past week, a self professed pious Senator in
 the US, who spoke so upfront about "Family Values" was outed as having seen prostitutes, yet he spoke out against premarital
 sex, etc...

  • 11.
  • At 05:04 PM on 17 Jul 2007,
  • Hisham in France wrote:

Hi Ali;

Whilst I agree with a lot of what you said on Islam; I'm afraid I have to disagree on some parts:
- there is a real chasm between what many consider as "true" tenets of Islam and the reality on the ground: As muslims we
 should be at the forefront of the condemnation of all forms of intolerance and other horrors committed in the name of Islam.
There is, I'm afraid, a lot of hypocrisy involved in our relation with our own religion (I'm not questioning your sincerity here).
I think we should be more cr
itical about the political use of Islam, which I believe should be more separated from the worldly dealings with life (although
 you said -and rightly so- that it is a way of living).
All the bigotry and Islamophobia that annoys you (as well as me) comes partly from the fact that most muslims when confronted
by criticisms from others, take it personally and often refuse to make the effort of introspection and self (constructive) criticism.

I mean... Islam has historically been a wonderful vehicle of civilization, of assimilation of cultural and religious minorities. The
decline started when the Irrational part of it took over all other forms of thinking! we don't allow dissent within our own ranks...
which is terribly unhealthy and counterproductive. Muslims used to worship God as well as Beauty, Love and Liberty... Now we
are taught to oppress difference.

We shouldn't let the Arab Despots nor the Fundamental lunatics nor the neofascits in the west hijack Islam for their own political
 purpose.  -secondly; Why is it that Muslims who describe themselves as "secular", are often dismissed as weak Muslims (or
 sometimes even... non-Muslims)?

It's perfectly right to be a secular muslim: embracing modernity, free thinking and secularism doesn't imply necessarily, abandoning
 your identity and faith. You should be more open to this kind of muslims, because I personally believe that they constitute a
 growing section of today's muslims. And I think it's a good thing!

To Ali,
There is an anecdote about a man not living in a Muslim country who embraced Islam.
 When he visited some Muslim countries, he thanked God for having embracing it before
 visiting them. His conclusion was that he knew Islam in a non-Muslim country but he
couldn’t see Islam in those supposedly Muslim countries. Islam is like major religion
whose aim is to make the human soul chaste so it can live in bliss in this world and life
after this world – called the al akhira.

The point you raised are fundamental to all human beings. All religions aspire to make
 people honest, fair/just.

The core of society is the family whereby individual have a sense of belonging and feel
secure. All these notions are grandiose. But religion or any other principle is what you
make of it.

To my knowledge, all the great religions have common principles by which the individual
 is both free and committed.

While religion is fundamentally spiritual, there are facts that make people revert to instinct
for survival. When there is greed one one side and poverty on the other, one sees just the
 immediacy of the action. Spiritual principles are set aside.

Christianity and Islam preached peace but ironically,
in their history there were the bloodiest incidents, just
because religion was the pillar of power for the rulers
and each tried to have superiority over the other in the
name of the religion.

For Islam there was misinterpretation or ignorance of its principles even by some Muslims to justify
their greed and material pursuits. As for “Women are not exploited as sexual objects”. That is what
 Islam preaches. But in many Muslim societies it was a common practice to have four wives and as
many concubines as possible.

How the ills in Muslim societies can be fought
depends on how Muslims can put their religion
in practice without falling into extremes or seeing
it as the best just to attack other religions.

The same applies to Christians and Jews.

The facts that there are different tendencies among Muslims through the like of Sunnis and
the Shiites which can lead to fight among them shows that individual practice of Islam alone
isn’t the key to peace with oneself. There are external influences that can shake one’s upheld
 beliefs in what is halal “permitted” or haram “prohibited”.

  • 13.
  • At 05:08 PM on 17 Jul 2007,
  • jade wrote:

we don't need religion to practice these codes. parents can teach us how to behave and schools can reinforce that. there're many causal
 & chain reactions on the list: e.g., if kids focus on learning & don't grow up too fast, they can be better educated and may be more
responsible in social behaviors, less casual sex, less divorces, less single-parent kids, more educated kids, and the cycle goes on.


Mark! would you please stop your bigoted bias.
you want to talk about religion? OK let me read you
matthew chapter ten : according to the Gospel, Jesus said:
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
 I came not to send peace, but a sword."
Stop your fear mongering and start by cleaning your own door step.

    • 15.
      At
      05:33 PM on 17 Jul 2007,
      Shawn wrote:

    I think Islam should be judged by its results rather than its intentions. Examine our world today
    and you will find several countries where Islam holds sway over the government and the population.
     Islam has all the political, military, and social power necessary to achieve its lofty ideals.

    Examine the results of that arrangement honestly and compare it to others where different
     religions or secularism holds sway.

    Then try to honestly tell me that Islam is a positive force in this world.
     
    I don't disagree that Islam has good intentions.
     
    I would argue that Jim Jones, Communists, and Nazis all thought they had good intentions.
     
    I am NOT comparing Islam to any of those groups.
     
    I am pointing out that good intentions don't amount to a hill of beans.

    Let Islam be judged by its results.

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"The presumption is founded on a law of nature. We know of no more universal instinct
than that of self-preservation, -none that so insistently urges to care against injury. It
has its motives to exercise in the fear of has its motives to exercise in the fear of pain,
 maiming, and death. There are few presumptions based on human feelings or
experience that have surer foundation than that expressed in the instruction objected to."

- Mr. Justice McKenna, delivering opinion of the U.S Supreme Court in Baltimore
& P R CO v. Landrigan, 191 U.S. 461 (1903). Decided December 7, 1903.

**********

"... Indeed, this is conceded by counsel for the government, for in their brief
( after referring to certain decisions of this court) it is said: ..."

"...'Even though such right be a natural or inalienable right, the duty of protecting
the citizen in the enjoyment of such right, free from individual interference, rests
alone with the state...."

- Mr. Justice Brewer, delivering opinion of the U.S. Supreme Court in Hodges v.
 U.S., 203 U.S. 1 (1906). May 28, 1906.


**********

"'The fundamental rights, privileges, and immunities which belong to him as a free
 man and a free citizen, now belong to him as a citizen of the United States, and
are not dependent upon his citizenship of any state . . . .
The Amendment [Fourteenth] does not attempt to confer any new privileges or
immunities upon citizens, or to enumerate or define those already existing.
 
gIt assumes that there are such privileges and immunities, which belong of right to
citizens as such, and ordains that they shall not be abridged by state legislation.
If this inhibition has no reference to privileges and immunities of this character,
but only refers, as held by the majority of the court in their opinion, to such privileges
and immunities as were, before its adoption, specially designated in the Constitution,
or necessarily implied as belonging to citizens of the United States, it was a vain
and idle enactment, which accomplished nothing, and most unnecessarily excited
Congress and the people on its passage. With privileges and immunities thus
designated or implied no state could ever have interfered by its laws, and no new
 constitutional provision was required to inhibit such interference. The supremacy
 of the Constitution and the laws of the United States always controlled any state
legislation of that character. But, if the Amendment refers to the natural and
inalienable rights which belong to all citizens, the inhibition has a profound
significance and consequence.'"

- Mr. Justice Field, (concurred in by Chief Justice Chase and Justices Swayne
and Bradley), U.S. Supreme Court, [Corfield v. Coryell, 4 Wash. C. C. 371,
Fed. Cas. No. 3,230, (p. 95)] As quoted in Twining v. State of New Jersey,
211 U.S. 78 (1908).

**********

"Who then, it is asked, will pronounce a verdict of guilty upon him if he stops
reasoning and follows the first impulse of nature: self-preservation; and further,
 whether, while technically he is wrong in his resistance, he is not more sinned
 against than sinning; and yet again whether the guilt of those who voted the
 unnatural sacrifice is not greater than the wrong of those who now seek to
escape by illadvised resistance."

- Mr. Justice [Oliver Wendell] Holmes, delivering the opinion of the U.S.
Supreme Court in Frohwerk v. U S , 249 U.S. 204 (1919). Decided March
10, 1919.

**********

"It is asserted that the right of free speech is a natural and inherent right, and
 that it, and the freedom of the press, 'were regarded as among the most sacred
and vital possessed by mankind when this nation was born, when its Constitution
 was framed and adopted.' And the contention seems necessary for the plaintiff
in error to support. But without so deciding or considering the freedom asserted
as guaranteed or secured either by the Constitution of the United States or by
the Constitution of the state, we pass immediately to the contention, and for the
purposes of this case may concede it; that is, concede that the asserted freedom
is natural and inherent...."

- Mr. Justice McKENNA, delivering the opinion of the United States Supreme
Court in GILBERT v. STATE OF MINN., 254 U.S. 325 (1920).

**********

"...The law has grown, and even if historical mistakes have contributed to its growth
 it has tended in the direction of rules consistent with human nature. Many respectable
writers agree that if a man reasonably believes that he is in immediate danger of death
 or grievous bodily harm from his assailant he may stand his ground and that if he kills
 him he has not succeeded the bounds of lawful self defence. That has been the
decision of this Court. Beard v. United States, 158 U.S. 550, 559, 15 S. Sup. Ct. 962.
 Detached reflection cannot be demanded in the presence of an uplifted knife. Therefore
 in this Court, at least, it is not a condition of immunity that one in that situation should
pause to consider whether a reasonable man might not think it possible to fly with safety
or to disable his assailant rather than to kill him..."

- Mr. Justice [Oliver Wendell] HOLMES, U.S. Supreme Court, BROWN v.
UNITED STATES, 256 U.S. 335 (1921).

 **********

"...What the Court did hold was that the privileges and immunities clause of the
Fourteenth Amendment only protected from state invasion such rights as a person
has because he is a citizen of the United States. The Court enumerated some, but
refused to enumerate all of these national rights. The majority of the Court emphatically
declined the invitation of counsel to hold that the Fourteenth Amendment subjected
all state regulatory legislation to continuous censorship by this Court in order for it to
determine whether it collided with this Court's opinion of 'natural' right and justice. In
 effect, the Slaughter-House cases rejected the very natural justice formula the Court
today embraces. The Court did not meet the question of whether the safeguards of
the Bill of Rights were protected against state invasion by the Fourteenth Amendment.
 And it specifically did not say as the Court now does, that particular provisions of the
 Bill of Rights could be breached by states in part, but not breached in other respects,
according to this Court's notions of 'civilized standards,' 'canons of decency,' and '
fundamental justice.'

"Later, but prior to the Twining case, this Court decided that the following were not '
privileges or immunities' of national citizenship, so as to make them immune against
state invasion: the Eighth Amendment's prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment,
 In re Kemmler, 136 U.S. 436; the Seventh Amendment's guarantee of a jury trial in civil
cases, Walker v. Sauvinet, 92 U.S. 90; the Second Amendment's 'right of the people
to keep and bear arms..."

"...It was aimed at restraining and checking the powers of wealth and privilege. It was
to be a charter of liberty for human rights against property rights. The transformation
has been rapid and complete. It operates today to protect the rights of property to the
detriment of the rights of man. It has become the Magna Charta of accumulated and
 organized capital.'..."

- Mr. Justice [Hugo] Black, in dissent, (along with Justices Douglas and Swayne),
Adamson v. People Of State Of California, U.S. Supreme Court, June 23, 1947.

**********

""Capitalism is an economic system based on man's right to private property and
on his freedom to use that property in producing goods which will earn him a just
profit on his investment. Man's right to private property stems from the Natural Law
 implanted in him by God. It is as much a part of man's nature as the will to self-preservation."
(At 560.)"

- MR. Justice Douglas, (in dissent), U.S. Supreme Court, quoting "Arthur J. Hughes'
general history text, Man in Time (1964)", in Board OF Education v. Allen, 392 U.S. 236
(1968). Decided June 10, 1968.

**********

"Rights of the citizen declared to be --".

**********

The ONLY time a citizen of these United States can be legally disarmed, is if
 they are imprisoned according to valid usage of law and then government is
obligated to provide protection for them. Otherwise, the citizen is in the state
of nature and entitled to be able to defend themselves.

Anything else would be Repugnant to the United States Constitution, and the
 Laws of God, and Nature.

The perverse usurpations against our Rights, by government(s) that were formed
by us. For the express purpose of protecting those very Rights, must cease
immediately. All laws that have been passed, regardless of perverse precedence
 applied. Which are unconstitutional in their nature, must be declared Null and
Void, by the TRUE rule of law. Our Freedom, our Liberty, and the very lives of
ourselves and progeny absolutely depend upon it.

**********

"This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties. A nation of well-informed
 men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them
 cannot be enslaved. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins."

- Ben Franklin

**********

"How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!"

- Samuel Adams, letter to John Pitts, January 21, 1776

**********

"The plain import of the clause is, that congress shall have all the incidental and
instrumental powers, necessary and proper to carry into execution all the express
 powers. It neither enlarges any power specifically granted; nor is it a grant of any
 new power to congress. But it is merely a declaration for the removal of all
uncertainty, that the means of carrying into execution those, otherwise granted,
 are included in the grant."

- Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution, 1833.


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